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2 R.A.s forced to resign because of conflicts with staff meetings

Theater students' commitments incompatible with resident adviser schedule

By Rachel Stuart

Staff Writer

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Published: Saturday, June 27, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, July 1, 2009

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Max Gonzalez works in the box office of Kingsbury Hall. Gonzalez was going to be a resident adviser for a second year but had to resign because he had to miss some staff meetings.

Housing and Residential Education was not the place to be for theater majors looking for a job.

Last month, two theater majors who wanted to serve as resident advisers in student housing resigned because of conflicts with a few weekly staff meetings.

The weekly R.A. staff meetings occur every Monday from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. R.A.s are also required to attend pre-semester training and participate in holiday duty during the semester.

Alison Vance, a senior in vocal performance, previously served five semesters as an R.A. and had been offered a position as R.A. of the Fine Arts House, an on-campus housing facility for junior and senior Fine Arts majors for the 2009-2010 school year.

But Vance was forced to resign because of a conflict with HRE's required pre-semester training. She was one of 80 students accepted out of nearly 700 applicants to attend a prestigious summer acting workshop in New York City. Vance’s decision to attend the workshop would have prevented her from returning on time for the beginning of pre-semester training Aug. 8.

Vance was informed that if she did not resign she would be fired for missing training. She said she does not intend to re-apply with HRE for future positions.

Max Gonzalez, one of the former R.A.s, was unable to attend a few meetings because of academic requirements for his major. As a junior stage management major in the theater department, Gonzalez is expected to attend a six-week period of rehearsals that run from 6 p.m. to 10 p.m., Monday through Friday.

Gonzalez was employed as an R.A. for a year before his resignation.

“I did my job,” Gonzalez said. His time-intensive major never prevented him from being available for students on his floor, he said, and his time commitments were not extra-curricular, but required for his major.

According to the HRE website, an R.A. is responsible for community development and policy enforcement on his or her assigned dormitory floor. R.A.s are compensated with a single room, a 19-meals-per-week meal plan, and waived Resident Hall Association financial dues. The position also requires that R.A.s “restrict extra-curricular and outside work to less than 15 hours per week with R.A. responsibilities taking priority.”

But Gonzalez believes a lack of flexibility from HRE limits them from getting the best men and women for the job.

“Fine Arts majors make the best R.A.s because they’re really used to working with people, which is a huge part of their job and major," Gonzalez said. 

Gonzalez was the assistant stage manager for Paula Poundstone when she spoke at Kingsbury Hall in October 2007. He referenced another R.A., also a Fine Arts major, who was able to accompany Bobby McFerrin when he visited the U in March, saying that these experiences make Fine Arts majors excellent examples for other students.

Representatives of HRE declined to comment.

r.stuart@chronicle.utah.edu

Editor's Note -- A previous version listed Alison Vance as a theater major. She is a vocal performance major.

Comments

24 comments
brady
Mon Jul 13 2009 13:20
What changes every year in the residence halls that requires employees that have already been employed with HRE to attend training again? Are they drastically changing they way in which a student resident contract is drafted? Nothing has changed in HRE (since they opened) except for the name that they do business as, if you look into it the name has changed 3 times in 5 years. Any legitimate business not on an academic campus that changed their name that many times would look suspicious to consumers if they knew that a company continually had to change their name to remain in business. Unlike many campuses across the nation the U of U doesn't require 1st and 2nd year students to live on campus. We have a choice here to live off campus, but just know that HRE will always be the better deal once you factor in associated costs of living like food and utilities.
Lotus
Sun Jul 12 2009 17:29
Max Gonzales is a fine young man. He would give the shirt off his back to anyone. Max was busy but he was always there for his residents. I am deeply appalled by comments from people who say they are HRE bashing Max and Ali. School should come first, and HRE should work with their staff's schedules when it is academic related. HRE preaches diversity yet they don't practice it. It's apparent HRE has issues. HRE staff treats there RA's really bad, cover up SWINE FLU CASES, and make students pay fees for one student urinating in the elevators! HRE is sketchy and they don't have the best interest of the students.
Your name
Wed Jul 8 2009 13:57
There are 28,000 students on campus. I'm sure HRE will be able to continue to find good ones who are willing to commit to mandatory requirements.

Grow up, this is life. Either you can do a job, or you can't. You don't get to choose to make Decision A and then avoid the consequences of not choosing Decision B. To everyone saying it's unreasonable for HRE to expect people to value employment over education, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DID. They simply gave ALL employees the choice of attending a mandatory training or not, with the caveat that choosing to not go = firing. That's what every employer does. It doesn't matter if you have a "really good reason." These two chose certain academic experiences instead of the training and now they must take that consequence.

I'm sure these two were great at their jobs, but they are not entitled to those jobs. Stop whining. Go get new jobs. I'm sure HRE didn't waste any time in finding new employees who were grateful for the position and were willing to meet all the requirements.

System Seems Self Defeating
Sat Jul 4 2009 20:46
There have been problems going on like this for years, and as a friend of some of the RAs on campus I hear my fair share of complaints about how the HRE system works. I think it is unrealistic for a campus organization to expect student employees to put their job before their education, contract or not. After spending thousands of dollars on tuition, we are not going to ignore class requirements, sorry. You will just have to keep firing us. Yes, it is understandable that HRE is going to take issue with contract violation. However, whether these actions were a clear violation is still kind of muddy. In the future if the HRE wants to put a stop to these problems I think they will need to modify their contracts and expectations to be more flexible for the students. Even in a full fledged job, workers can accumulate a week of vacation every now and then, but HRE doesn't even allow a week off during the summer without the penalty of being put on probation. That is just ridiculous, and they wont stop having problems until some of these rules change. If they reduce some of the (in my opinion) huge array of benefits offered with the position, it might make it easier to be more flexible with required responsibilities.
concerned
Thu Jul 2 2009 14:51
what happened to all the comments that were previously posted on this article?
Delphie
Wed Jul 1 2009 20:23
I work for HRE.

So I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Some of you are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But you don't. Trust me.

I think some of you are just trying to make yourself sound clever.

This is how bad information gets passed around.

Don't try to make yourself sound like you know what you're talking about when you don't.

Because some people believe anything they read.

Ryan Ireland
Wed Jul 1 2009 17:01
Yikes Max bad pic of you at the beginning. That is all. HAHAHA. And disgruntled person on our staff. I will miss both Max and Ali next year. And I don't know who you are, but bashing 2 of our former staff members is not very kind, whoever it is.
Max's Resident
Wed Jul 1 2009 16:58
Hey disgruntled staff member I do not like your condescending tone towards me and I definitly do not think that you are right in all of your accusations of both Max Gonzalez or Ali Vance and I pray to God that I am not your resident next year, because you sound like a really mean and condescending person!!! RUDE!
former RA on Sage Point Staff that is not Max or Ali (so I know what I'm talking about)
Wed Jul 1 2009 15:59
DISGRUNTLED STAFF MEMBER:

I doubt that you did a better job than either of those two. So get off your high horse and shut up. If things were reversed and this was an article about you, I HIGHLY DOUBT that any resident would have been satisfied enough to comment on your behalf. The fact that Max had support from one of his former residents, shows that he was a great RA.

Michael Barb Payne
Wed Jul 1 2009 15:50
HRE is the most hypocritical organization I have ever witnessed in my life. The company makes up rules as they go and they do not have a structure or protocol for which they handle situations. They are way too strict and this is a student job, so they should be understanding about students who are doing what students do... go to class and have school-related activities. They should not be punished for something that is out of their control.
Flabergasted by HRE
Tue Jun 30 2009 22:37
Giving out personal information about a student because you disagree with his stance?

Isn't that a massive violation of privacy? You should be fired.

This story needs OFFICIAL comment by HRE... what a bunch of morons.

Disgruntled Staff
Tue Jun 30 2009 18:49
Max's Resident:

Good for you! I'm glad you had a great experience living in Sage Point 812 3rd floor! Wheeee! By the way this article is a bashing article because Max and Ali are both bashing HRE, so if they didn't want to take some of it they shouldn't have been dishing to a reporter. Secondly, performance is very important when considering what makes a good RA and what doesn't make a good RA. Thus, unlike what Max was saying about Fine Art RAs being the best, by performance standards both of them were the worst RAs. Also Residents don't know half of what we do. Our jobs aren't just to be available for you. So you know, Max was frequently recognized as always having something going on.

Either way, not a single past staff member I have talked to will be missing either of those two. They choose their fate by not being willing to live up to their contracts, and YES they did choose not too. They could have chosen different majors or different class loads. A job with HRE only fits for certain types of schedules and for that I doubt they apologize.

L.a.
Tue Jun 30 2009 18:11
Residence halls are harsh and unfair. I at one point lived in them, the staff is rude and act like I am working for them even though I am the one spending $400 for a room that is smaller than a jail cell. The only people that are nice are the R.A.'s. As for the main office, (those who collect the money) they are ignorant and need to at some point experience a real job so that they can become a little more humble. If students took a little more time to research they would realize that they could purchase a house if they could get three others to sign for a house with them. For 1600 dollars a month you can get a large house with a yard and avoid ignorant staff members, not to mention have a more sanitary environment to live in.
Nick Bayne
Tue Jun 30 2009 16:59
My god...HRE displaying a lack of compassion and understanding? That TOTALLY has NOT been going on for years now.

From one Fine Arts major to another, keep at it, guys!

Max's Resident
Tue Jun 30 2009 16:09
As Max's previous resident I can say that he WAS on the floor whenever I needed him and he was always as helpful as he could be if I needed help. I do think that HRE needs to loosen up a little bi, because their policy seems to be way to strict, although it was in their contract. I also met Ali in multiple situations and she was very kind and helped me out with a problems, so I think that it's a shame that she will not be an RA again. and as for the rude commentor that brought in Max having no time and Ali being late to every meeeting, SHAME ON YOU!!!! This is not a bashing article and should not be used as such, and to give out info about their performance and private lives is uncalled for. I just wich I could hear what HRE had to say about the whold thing. Thanks!!!
Your name
Mon Jun 29 2009 21:27
is this really news? why would this ever be published..... is there really nothing else going on at the U.... nothing? This is the main headline nonetheless... this feels like a reality tv show...
YH
Mon Jun 29 2009 18:23
When HRE loses staff willy-nilly (eight were let go last year, 4 the year before, and countless have quit), it ruins their chances for a good set of student leaders.
amazed
Mon Jun 29 2009 16:51
Both of these students accepted a position that has mandatory meetings and training. Mandatory means you must attend. It is not HRE's responsibility to cater to student schedules. If they cater to one RA's special circumstances, then they will have to cater to all RA schedule. There is no ideal time that works for everyone. I can't wait until these students go out into the world and accept theater roles or vocal performance jobs and decide after the fact that the practice schedule doesn't work for them because they have something else they need to attend to. I'm sure the theater company will stop everything and rearrange practice for one performer.

I would also agree that this article is poor journalism. Hardly fair and representative and sounds like Ali's friend using her resources as a platform for a whiny student.

Disgruntled Staff
Mon Jun 29 2009 03:04
Not noted in this article is the fact that both Ali Vance and Max Gonzalez signed a contract that stipulated that their job REQUIRED attendance at fall training. Also of note, as a former RA on both Max's and Ali's staff neither were quality RAs. Ali was always late to meetings and failed to meet job requirements and was placed on probation before the end of the year. She was unavailable to her residents, even posting on her door to NOT contact her in cases of lockouts. Max, on the other hand, was so overloaded with extra-circulars that he was frequently not around in housing. He spent more time at the SigEp house than his floor. As well, the last few weeks of the semester he was always trading duty in order to go do something stupid. Surprisingly, his friends had birthdays three weeks in a row from 9:00pm to 11:00pm Friday nights! Pah! Good Riddance.
Seriously, Are you serious???
Sun Jun 28 2009 22:38
"Representatives of HRE declined to comment."

It's hard to make an issue seem completely unbiased when one half of the story won't explain their stance and actions.







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